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Kirby said it clearly back in 1969 Patrick Ford 7 September 2016 Will Jacobs and Gerard Jones from TCJ #110. PURE KIRBY. Patrick Ford: In 1969 while still selling his stories to Marvel, Kirby bluntly stated, "I created..." Note that Kirby not only says he created the characters. He says very clearly that he was "harping" on Marvel to give the costumed hero genre a try. Patrick Ford: There is not even a 1% doubt in my mind that Lee's (let's call it as it is) bullshit, has been elevated via threats and intimidation. [Editor's note: The 1969 quote was first published in Nostalgia Journal, 1976, but its provedance is good. Kirby said similar things at the comic convention in 1970. See the Jack Kirby Collector #39.]

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