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Fans don't believe evidence used in court
Ferran Delgado
18 October 2016
From Marvel Vision #20.
Patrick Ford: A couple of things to think about.
1. Lieber says that Kirby could draw faster than Lieber could write. Well, Lee never signed a monster/fantasy story between 1956 and Sept. 1961. Michael Vassallo has determined that Marvel had a lot of inventory scripts which were used from 1958 through 1959. So if Lieber began writing in 1958 by late 1959 all the inventory scripts should have been used up. Then for a period of around two years we are expected to believe that Larry Lieber wrote full scripts for every monster/fantasy title Marvel was publishing? That would make Lieber a much faster writer than Stan Lee. And Lieber was writing full scripts.
If Lee was so busy he had to hire another writer how is it that other writer was more prolific (assuming Lee was not writing full scripts) than Lee?
Patrick Ford: 2. If the Marvel Method was created by Lee to speed up production how is it that Lee's brother was able to write as many full script pages as Lee was able to produce using the Marvel Method?
Patrick Ford: Here are two quotes from Larry Lieber which I find interesting. The first is from an interview with Roy Thomas. The second is from Larry Lieber's 2010 deposition for Marvel v. Kirby.
https://www.twomorrows.com/alterego/articles/02lieber.html
Lieber: I'll tell you one because it's only about me: Near the end, Atlas was maybe going to go out of business, and I got called on jury duty. At that time, I used to sometimes get anxiety attacks, and I used to take Valium to prevent the attack. So when I had to go down to the jury, I called up the company and I said, "Are we still in business?" And the secretary said, "I don't know; Chip hasn't made up his mind yet," or "Mr. Goodman hasn't made up his mind yet; just keep in touch with us and you'll find out."
So here I'm going - it's like a Woody Allen thing - I'm going on jury duty, I'm nervous to begin with, and I'm trying to keep calm, and during a break on the jury I call up and the secretary says, "Tomorrow morning, before you go on jury duty, or after, will you stop up and see Chip?" Now, I get off the phone; she hasn't told me what it's about, but I figure, "I bet this means they're going out of business." So I start getting very nervous, and I go back in the jury box, and a policeman is testifying, and as he starts talking, I'm so panicky about going out of business that I think I'm going to scream. I just remember being there, thinking, "I don't want to scream and cause a mistrial."
Patrick Ford: The extract from Lieber's deposition is interesting as illustrative of the way Lee's advocates refuse to engage with reality. In spite of the fact that the quote from Larry Lieber is footnoted so the judge can find exactly where in Lieber's testimony the question was asked and answered, basically every article which mentioned the quote speculated that Marc Toberoff invented the quote. That is absolutely absurd. Not only is the quote clearly identified but the idea that an attorney would invent a quote and mark it as from a deposition is frankly idiotic.
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