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Stan Lee did not write the monster books that are now credited to him
Patrick Ford 14 June 2016 How come no one has ever pointed this out? What were the pre-hero years at Marvel? That would be 1958-1961. So go look at Stan Lee's credits at the Atlas Tales .com website and what do you know. https://www.atlastales.com/creator/7 From 1958 to the end of 1961 Stan Lee does not have one credit on any of the Marvel "monster books." Lee does sign hundreds of stories during that time. All Lee's writing is done for Westerns and the sexist "Dumb Broad" type books which seem to have been Lee's specialty. So there are no Lee credits for TALES TO ASTONISH, JOURNEY INTO MYSTERY, TALES OF SUSPENSE, AMAZING ADVENTURES, etc. But there are hundreds of credits for LIFE WITH MILLIE, KATHY, PATSY WALKER, MILLIE THE MODEL, MY GIRL PEARL, etc. And in fact there are no Lee credits on any of the Mystery/Monster books until TALES TO ASTONISH #24 (October 1961). Kind of casts doubt on Lee's claims that he created the Marvel Method because he no longer had time to write full scripts for Kirby and Ditko. Or did Lee just forget to sign every Mystery/Monster story from 1958 to October 1961 when he never forgot to sign hundreds of Westerns and "Dumb Broad" stories? Patrick Ford: In order to fully appreciate this go to this link and scroll down to Lee's credits from 1958-Oct. 1961. There are hundreds upon hundreds of stories which Lee signed. There is not one story credited to Lee or signed by Lee in any of the Monster/Mystery books. https://www.atlastales.com/creator/7 Patrick Ford: So when Lee and his house boy talk about Lee using the Marvel Method on Fin-Fang_Foom well why is it there aren't ANY monster/mystery stories until one month prior to FANTASTIC FOUR #1. And how come I'm pointing this out? You mean to say I'm the first person that has ever bothered to look? Patrick Ford: I have heard Lee and Thomas explain that Lee "forgot" to sign his name once and awhile. Well the score is he never failed to sign once on any of the "Dumb Broad" books and there are hundreds and hundreds of them. And we are supposed to believe he never once remembered to sign a Mystery/Monster story until Oct. 1961? Get out! Aaron Noble: Stan signed everything he wrote. Gag cartoon pages. Half page kid humor strips. Paper Doll pages. Hair-do's sent in by our readers.
Patrick Ford: The first Ditko story signed by Lee came in Sept. of 1961 on GUNSMOKE WESTERN #66. Ditko had been regularly selling stories to Marvel for almost six years by that time.
Patrick Ford: Aaron Noble, That's correct. It's thousands of examples with never a miss for Lee on things like PATSY, MILLIE, KATHY. Lee and Roy Thomas must have noticed that prior to Oct. 1961 none of the Mystery/Monster type stories are signed by Lee, because in a couple of interviews it's been suggested by Thomas and agreed to by Lee that Lee forgot to sign some of his stories and that explains why they aren't seen on the M/M stuff. But 100% signed to 0% signed is hard to explain. Aaron Noble: Apparently Larry Lieber is the true unheralded genius of Proto-Marvel... Patrick Ford: I'm pretty sure that Lieber has said he never wrote a script for Ditko. Lieber supposedly writing full scripts brings up another interesting point though. If the Marvel Method was such a great idea then why was Lee working Marvel Method while his brother (who had zero writing experience) was writing full panel by panel scripts for Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko? Aaron Noble: When does Lee say he began working MM? Patrick Ford: He claims to have written the Fin-Fang-Foom story. Patrick Ford: In the ORIGINS book he writes, "There we were grinding out Merry Monster stories..." Patrick Ford: From COMIC BOOK ARTIST #2. Roy: I assume that Joan said this after you were given the assignment to do the super-hero group and not while you were doing the monster books. Stan: It was after I told her that Martin wanted to do a super-hero group but I thought that I would say to him, "Forget it. I want to quit." Roy: By Fantastic Four #1, you had developed what later came to be called "the Marvel style." But you were doing this all along for some monster stories, some time before this. How far back does that go? Stan: You mean just doing synopses for the artists? Was I doing them before Marvel? Roy: I know that you did it for Fantastic Four. [Stan's synopsis for F.F. #1 is printed in Alter Ego, Vol. 2, #2, backing this issue of CBA.] So I figured with Jack as the artist—and maybe Ditko, too—in these minor stories that you mostly wrote, along with Larry Lieber, you must have been doing it since the monster days. Stan: You know something, Roy? Now that you say it, that's probably true; but I had never thought of that. I thought that I started it with the Fantastic Four, but you're probably right. Roy: You probably didn't write full scripts for Jack for "Fin Fang Foom." Stan: I did full scripts in the beginning, but then I found out how good he was just creating his own little sequence of pictures—and I did it in the beginning with Ditko, too—but when I found out how good they were, I realized that, "Gee, I don't have to do it—I get a better story by just letting them run free." Patrick Ford: Why is Roy "Mr. Historian" Thomas talking about Lee working on the "monster books" when Lee never signed his name on a "monster book" until one month prior to FF #1 ? Aaron Noble: Roy seems to be creating testimony very deliberately here, but why? Patrick Ford: Lee's stories are full of holes and I think Thomas has tried to go back and fix the continuity. Patrick Ford: I take it these corrections came about because it hurts Lee's credibility if Lee never showed an inclination or interest in science fiction, fantasy, or super heroes during the whole of the '50s while Kirby was doing all of those things. I am personally convinced that Marvel, Lee and Thomas are all very much aware of this and have worked hard to create a false narrative which supports Lee's claims. Aaron Noble: Right, but what's in it for Roy? Aaron Noble: BTW, it seems hard to believe, but I've never heard this pointed out before, the lack of fantasy stories before FF 1. Mike Vassallo must have been aware, but I never saw him mention it. Patrick Ford: Vassallo makes a point of restricting himself to the period prior to FF #1. Vassallo did point out that Lee never wrote fantasy from 1955 to 1957. I'll post now on his findings. The period could be updated to 1955 to Oct. 1961.

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